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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 30, 2009 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

man, if the "box set" sales have declined steeply (presumably for all the bands they manage releases for), i cant imagine how poorly the GD sales are. I cannot see how they can make a cent releasing stuff easily obtained on torrents - especially charging what they do (which is not a knock on them, just a statement).

the days of CD's are gone, gone, gone. just like the vinyl i used to buy up until the early 80's. And it is now happening very very fast. You'll barely see CD's for sale within two years.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Sep 30, 2009 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

Tis ther truth younger twin Brother. My depat, and job were eliminated last spring, Came in on my birthday (4/6) to see an empty cavern of what used to be the Music dept!

:(

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Poster: wineland Date: Oct 1, 2009 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

On your birthday?!? Damn, that's messed up. Sorry to hear about it Cush. I hope you've recovered and are back on track.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 1, 2009 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

Dead on with this. What began as a slow erosion of CD shelf space has now become a full blown collapse. I'd 2-3 years is going to be about it.

I really thought the Dead was onto something a few years back with the download series, but there was so much more that could have been done with it. Hell, they could even set it up to where people could choose between whole shows and compilations if they wanted to.

I don't mean to sound cynical but when I saw the $100 Winterland '77 box announced I just laughed. The writing is on the wall for high dollar box sets. Most Deadheads I know in my age group (40s) already have hundreds of shows and are not going to drop that kind of coin on music they already have. However, clean up some less commonly circulated stuff (or stuff which now makes the rounds only in poor quality) and make it available for download at a reasonable price, and I think people would go for that big time.

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 1, 2009 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

after a slow start rhino did begin a release a quarter or so schedule which moved the community from arguing about them to a arguing about their selections and the compilation/complete show debate.

I am also a very big fan of the download series; and I find myself listening to those shows as much as dick's picks. I would like to know why rhino nixed the series along with their overall anti-download stand. I just think in 2009 a record company would/should be moving towards downloads rather than away from them. It is beyond me that the road series and other rhino releases are not available to dl. At least they have continued the dl option for the pre-rhino releases.

I think they would be farther ahead if they had created a site and on a regular basis released shows in groups of five or ten. The groups could be released in multiple ways: across eras (1 or 2 per decade); based on themes; regions/cities/venues; by holidays; firsts and lasts; sor full runs like the road series. The ideas for grouping are endless.

Then allow for multi-downloading options (e.g., single tracks, build your own compilation and complete shows). This would make fans of all eras happy along with giving the choice of full show vs compilation.

It would give people not familiar with different eras an easy way to do tastings along with stirring debate, interest and SALES in and out of the community.

If the folks restoring/upgrading soundboards can turn-around shows at such a clip why can't rhino?

can one of you marketers explain rhino's use of the bonus disc?

I always love this note:

"Looking for the bonus disc? Sorry, but we've run out of the bonus disc that was included with early orders. All orders will include the standard 2-CD version of this release."

I don't understand the rationale of having it for early sales only and when it is removed the pricing and desire for of the product is put into question.

I could see selling the bonus disc on dead.net and not in the stores or do something with the pricing, but don't just have it for early orders. Maybe I am missing something...

one "positive" of rhino appears that it takes the band away from doing all of that work, which can and has lead to strife.

what was the initial rhino contract for, ten years?




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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 1, 2009 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

agree with all you wrote. is it any wonder so many people go to other sites to download these releases without the high sales price, limited availability of bonus discs, crappy customer service, and the fact that discs/boxed sets just take up so damn much space in a room??

i dont wonder ;)

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 1, 2009 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

thanks...strange, but I hear bowie singing: "is it any wonder..."

"one "positive" of rhino appears that it takes the band away from doing all of that work, which can and has lead to strife."

I should have added that having Rhino and not doing it all themselves has allowed them to avoid those internal conflicts and to PLAY again. Just because it isn't my cup-of-tea doesn't mean that I am not pleased to see them back together and many people enjoying it.

here is rhino's press release back in 2006:

http://www.rhino.com/rzine/pressrelease.lasso?PRID=417

Though I don't see the length of the "landmark agreement" mentioned. Guess it is time to search the forum since I know it has been noted in the past.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 1, 2009 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

yeah, i certainly dont blame them a bit for wanting Rhino to handle all that "stuff." God, at their age and what they have worked for, it is time to take a break from all that marketing crap. what they love is to play, so play on..

the recording industry got into the digital download system far too late. they hung on to cd's a bit too long (imho). And if they were into it, they never found a way to maximize their profits doing so. just last year a $230 million loss in the recording industry - never mind the downturn over the past 5 years or so. They can blame Kazaa, pirateers, etc all they want - but they dropped the ball long ago and never felt the urge to really pick that ball up again. You ever wonder how much of the $.99 per download from Ipod is going to the recording industry?? I do! and i will bet it aint much :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 1, 2009 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino RIP!?!

i dont think you are being cynical at all. i am in full agreement. totally agree with the full access download idea - i think that is the only way the GD/Rhino can sell GD stuff even close to profitably. I think both GD and Rhino vastly overestimated what their commercial viability really is/was. I dont know if they really thought shutting down the board downloads on the archive was going to help or not, but my guess is that it didnt make one iota of difference monetarily. And now with Wolfgang's out there ready to go.... (i suspect there is NO way they are going to shut him down - too expensive to even try at this point and they have already been beaten once)

Just basic supply and demand. The supply is virtually endless and the demand is most certainly NOT growing (staying even MAYBE.) The GD needs to see the writing on the wall, and in the immortal words from Aliens..... "Game over, man. Game over!"